Theses on Holmes

1. Hollywood movies (and capitalist TV) absolutely inspire and cause not just violence, but mass murder.

2. The Second Amendment, like so much else in the Constitution, needs to go.

3. Obama is exactly the disaster/whore we know him to be. He got passed today, in fact, by none other than Mike Bloomberg. And did you see the Zero’s appeal to prayer, and other fake-god jive, including the idea that we who are still alive need to count our blessings? Wow, how beautiful! If you didn’t get mass murdered by a psychotic, Hollywood-chugging social climber who has irrationally free access to — yes — weapons of mass destruction, well, then Praise Jesus!, says Zerobama.

4. This death toll is a fraction of the ordinary daily death toll from our cars-first transportation order.

5. When will white people calm down and admit they have a problem?

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Rollie
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Rollie

I agree with #1. It’s funny how the motif of shock is everywhere in the media narrative of this. How can anyone be stupid enough to be, or have the nerve to act, shocked, about this? A culture of apples doesn’t produce oranges. But then again I suppose if you uncritically accept the constant propaganda drumbeat that this is a Noble Society based on Freedom and Truth and such, you would be shocked. On the other hand I disagree with #2. The cat’s already out of the bag there, and in fact it actually would have been better if one… Read more »

Heavy Armor
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Rollie, Regarding number 2, at what point would your “hero” have drawn their weapon? Remember, your opponent prepared for that contingency by using smoke gas (tear gas or not, it is still not conducive to ‘getting a bead’ on the bad guy) AND body armor, meaning that only a “well-placed shot” to his gas mask would seem to be the only way to ‘stop’ him. AND, you are doing this is a sea of chaos exacerbated by all of the non-combatants fleeing for their lives. So then tell me what happens when one of your “Good Guy Bullets” hits a… Read more »

davidly
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Sure, Heavy Armor, but consider this: You and your landspeople pool together your resources and spend an easy eleven-figures annually making weapons whose sole purpose it to kill people, then you contract your kids (most barely legal young men & women) to use them on strangers – the most hotly-debated sense of equality in this regard being whether or not your men-children should be allowed to proudly declare that they’re queer before pulling the trigger on a gallery of those strangers, or, using the most sophisticated of your technologies, playing Filet a Family whilst cranking something called Death Metal through… Read more »

WinstonSmith
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WinstonSmith

REGARDING NUMBER 4: it’s not just car culture, it’s modern, industrial civilization as a whole. to borrow from Gandhi, post-modernism and post-industrialism would be good ideas. Steven Pinker is as delusional and dangerous as Status Quobama — which is to say, when one does not cherry pick “evidence” to support the blatantly and offensively absurd idea that, “Violence has been in decline for thousands of years” [1], one understands that today’s Machine of Civilization is the most violent, destructive, deadly and rapacious anthropogenic malevolence Earth has ever known (one need look no further than the unconscionable, unfathomable and irredeemable violence… Read more »

nercules
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nercules

There are many, many reasons behind events like this, but one not mentioned here is the ‘nation state’, which really factors largely in all five of MD’s ‘bullet points’, from car-first transport, racism, a brutal entertainment culture, rampant militarism, a history of genocide, slavery and incarceration to crazy constitution worship and executive/elite privilege. It’s a perfect cultural storm for death rampage on a regular basis.

nercules
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nercules

Oh, and I forgot to add the economic system that literally drives all this madness, and upon which the nation state is dependent…capitalism.

Joe Remenak
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Joe Remenak

“4. This death toll is a fraction of the ordinary daily death toll from our cars-first transportation order.”

Actually, creepily coincidental statistic here:

Number of Americans who went to the movies on July 19, chose not to wield an assault rifle, and died by one anyway: 14.

Number of Americans who, on a somewhat average day in 2010, left their home, chose not to drive a car, and died by one anyway: 14.

At least Obama’s not using my faith to make patronizing comments about surviving the vehicular transport system.

Source on the latter stat, if anyone cares: http://www-fars.nhtsa.dot.gov/Main/index.aspx

Rollie
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Rollie

Mr. Armor. Just a few thoughts, all of which have a firm root in reality: – It’s undesirable to let the attacker be the sole agent deciding how things play out. There will be more bloodshed the longer the attacker is allowed to continue attacking. If you’re fortunate enough to have among your options at that moment, the ability to take more control of the situation, there is nothing fantastic, vigilante, or even particularly heroic about that. – Expecting to be able to completely delegate my personal safety to a police force that’s absent, unreliable and beholden to interests hostile… Read more »

Joe Remenak
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Joe Remenak

#5: Here’s the best list I can make of American mass murderers since the year 2000: Michael McDermott, 2000 Chai Soua Vang, 2002 Douglas P. Williams, 2003 Salvador Tapia, 2003 Jeffrey James Weise, 2005 Terry Michael Ratzmann, 2005 *Jennifer San Marco, 2006 Kyle Aaron Huff, 2006 Robert A. Hawkins, 2007 Tyler James Peterson, 2007 Seung-Hui Cho, 2007 Isaac Lee Zamora, 2008 Nicholas Troy Sheley, 2008 Michael Kenneth McLendon, 2009 Jiverly Antares Wong, 2009 Robert Kenneth Wayne Stewart, 2009 Nidal Malik Hasan, 2009 Omar Sharif Thornton, 2010 Jared Lee Loughner, 2011 Scott Evans Dekraai, 2011 Eduardo Sencion, 2011 James Eagan Holmes… Read more »

Dave
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Dave

The audience went there to see simulated violence, looks like they got the real thing.

Today I saw a great example of advertising, an article called ‘David Beckham photo-bombs stunned fans at London mall booth’ and at first it sort of looks like the football star popped in randomly to have some fun but it’s really an elaborate Adidas advert. Nearly all of the comments on the article praise him for being a stand up guy with his fans, not sure if they realize he is there holding up his end of a contract.

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

Michael, It goes far deeper than that. Violent entertainment fulfills much more specific ideological functions: 1) It provides outlets to the frustrations of the powerless, and inspiring them to believe that they too, can solve their problems, if they are sufficiently ruthless. The satisfying violence in the movies is always perpetrated by the solo protagonists who prevails against all adversity. ( (I am sure that if someone bothers to do the study, will find the strongest correlation between level of impoverishment/powerlesness and gun ownership. Sadly, this is also the demographics who will also happily sign for the death squads, once… Read more »

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

Michael – on your point Batman being fascist. Spot on. I watched the movie, and almost vomited at the blatant propaganda there: 1) Bad communist-like invaders 2) Frivolous citizen-courts to sentence the rich 3) Dragging upstanding looking rich citizens out of their homes onto the streets by crazed crowds 4) Batman coming to the resque to put an end on all this through a heavy doze of violence 5) a concluding monologue not failing to mention humility, honesty, hard work, and prosperity I come from a formerly socialist country and I can vouch that even the 15-minute explicitly idological spots… Read more »

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

PS And btw, I’m saying all of the above as someone who actually has a mild fascination with guns, and used to own one, and probably will have some again in the future. Controlled access to arms is not necessarily a bad thing, with an emphasis on “controlled” – background checks, skill tests, psych tests, tight grip on distributors etc. Where things get scary is when the irrational cultural hysteria gets inflamed by those who stand to benefit. This is scary because it inflames the worst passions in people, and they know it, but business is too good to pas… Read more »

Joe Remenak
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Joe Remenak

@Maria, re: gun ownership and SES Wright (1975) found that gun ownership is most common in rural areas, and that the rates decrease as city size increases. At the time of his study, gun owners were 22% more likely to be Southerners than non-Southerners, 10% more likely to be white than non-white, and 21% more likely to be Protestant than Catholic. That’s all reasonably to be expected, I think. Here’s the kicker, though: gun ownership rates peaked in the middle education brackets, but aligned _postively_ (in a “sharp and nearly linear” fashion) with income and occupational prestige. That is, a… Read more »

High Arka
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(Domesticated violence from a couple days before the latest media event.) Lone white people acting completely without any security service or government support are the bogeyman of choice to use against the public opinion of white westerners. It has just enough of an element of self blame to make it palatable to people who feel guilty for the crusades and slavery and stuff. And, as said elsewhere, when the press reports that Obama put a terrorist in Guantanamo, you probably question the veracity of the official story of the guy’s terrorist connections, but when it reports that a white guy… Read more »

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

@joe remenak – thanks a lot for the info and the sources, I’ll check them out. I would be curious to see a similar study using some nuanced psychological measures of anxiety/powerlesness, which are not necessarily going to be precisely aligned with SES. I would imagine that today one of the most anxious groups is the middle, rather than the working class. The working class already know that they are screwed – this is not news to them. However some portions of the middle class is terrified of getting proletarized (which is probably just a matter of time?). I would… Read more »

Michael Dawson
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Okay, I mostly take back #5, having seen Joe’s list.

Meanwhile, I’d be surprised if gun ownership wasn’t positively related to income. That’s not least because race remains a substantial part of class, and white people are more gun-loving than others, if the stats are correct. My sense is that there is something akin to fascism’s social appeal at work, with lower middle class and upper working class whites being the main stockpilers.

Gotta love Zerobama saying we don’t need any new gun laws, even though everything this kid did in acquiring his equipment was utterly legal.

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High Arka
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Michael, “total guns” might be greater in the hands of the proles, but your suspicion is probably accurate regarding income. There is a powerful–and very annoying/pretentious–culture of “self defense by gun ownership” enjoyed by upper-class whites, who don’t hunt or serve in the military, but who go to handgun clubs with the casualness (and the price equivalents) of golfing or power-lunching. It’s an even more surreal culture of gun worship than the silly media image of NRA guys performing paramilitary maneuvers at a public campground. You should see those PTA moms use their “nines” on cardboard men with numbered killzones,… Read more »

High Arka
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(Oh, and I gotta say, I’m glad you withdrew #5, but it was still )(*&@(#*&# funny.)

nercules
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nercules

A last comment on the notorious #5. I live in Hungary. A terrible murder was committed in the city of Eger last month. The alleged murderer is gypsy (Roma). This has sparked further outrage amongst right-wingers in this country who believe that this murder justifies their stereotypes of an entire race of people. When a gypsy commits a crime it’s ‘typical’ behavior. Of course, when a white person (a native son or daughter) commits an equivalent crime, it’s chalked down to insanity or atypical of the race. When Arabs (or Palestinians) carry out acts of violence, it is seldom asked… Read more »

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

Okay, all good points regarding the relationship of gun ownership to income, or more precisely, class. I’m revising it to still include the original terms, but to refer to *relative* impoverishment/powerlessness within the upper strata (i.e. anything above middle-working class). I can see how the middle class drones of various stripes could be drawn to gun ownership (lovely and vivid image from high arca, LOL – the mom from “American Beauty”). However, in the grand distribution of power in society, these people are still powerless – they know their privileges are unstable, and in the event of actual unrest they… Read more »

op
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md

you made an appearance in absentia in one of father smiff’s comment cages

http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/2012/07/leaks_and_dribbles.html#comments

Jenny
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Jenny

what else should be stricken from the constitution?

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

There goes the “idea” that constitutional issues are “too abstract” for the masses to understand… Altough I think that the founding fathers were primarily self-interested douchebags, their constitution was probably one of the most reason-infused documents in history at that point. I also think that had they have a way to anticipate what industrial capitalism would look like and its implications for their “society of owners”, they would have been more careful not to get carried away with the whole “checks and balances” thing and safeguarding against the “tyrranny of the majority” thing (LOL). Here’s an easy script for a… Read more »

Michael Dawson
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The “too complex” thing is part of the overclass effort to preserve the entirely manufactured Holiness of FF Writ. Even the Founding Fuckers thought people would be rewriting the thing. How else do you explain Article V? Jefferson, as we know, thought the tree of liberty needed blood every generation or two. But rewriting the Constitution is a grave danger to the existing corporate overclass, as it would almost surely close some of the gaps between BAU and public preferences. The mere practice of another Constitutional Convention would put the whole power structure at risk, and would also suggest people… Read more »

Erin Mooney
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Erin Mooney

WinstonSmith, you said it best. Thanks for pointing out the violence humans are inflicting on other species and on nature in general.