Another Sign of the Times

The New York Times is reporting that the Newtown parents have issued this statement:

“We’re looking for dialogue. We’re looking for ideas. We’re looking for a national discussion to take place. We don’t want to just come out and say this is what we stand for, this is what we believe in. We want to encourage a national discussion on this. Do something different. When you look at what’s been done in the past, it hasn’t gotten us very far. We have to do something different.”

Since it seems too far-fetched that this group remains somehow captive to any pro-gun influences, one has to take this amazing pre-emptive surrender as yet another sign of just how beaten down we are in what remains of civil society. Jesus, people, you don’t enter a life-and-death struggle asking to talk things over with you enemy. Rosa Parks didn’t ask to be allowed into the middle rows of the bus. You make a clean and simple demand and then go fight for it.

As for “what’s been done in the past,” wasn’t that a whole lot of nothing? Sheesh!

For those TCTers who are interested in this topic of liberal surrender-monkeying, I also heartily endorse Thomas Frank’s new review, in the February Harper’s, of Spielberg’s silly little “Lincoln” movie. It’s by far the best thing Mr. Frank has ever penned, IMHO. (Among other excellent observations, Frank calls Spielberg “that Michelangelo of the trite.” Oh, s–nap!)

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High Arka
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How cute–the death of your children now entitles you to fifteen-minute celebrity status. Under legal guidance, and with lots of cooperative group-work, you can release soulless PR statements that sound like something the White House press club could’ve come up with by itself.

This is why newspapers don’t need staff anymore–any middle-class person can immediately produce the party line on any given piece of news, including a death in that person’s own family.

Charles D
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Charles D

What the heck is a “national discussion”? Or a “national conversation” like the one Joe Biden is supposedly having? This nation is incapable of holding a discussion. On virtually every topic, we have at least two entrenched groups who are immune to all arguments and any facts that don’t support their pre-conceived ideas. These parents don’t need a f*&^ing discussion, they need to stop needless gun violence before someone else’s child is killed. If they don’t have any idea how to do that, they should do some research or talk to someone who has instead of opening a faux dialogue… Read more »

High Arka
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If they really cared, they would go fight for it–they would not swallow the easy answer like so many 9/11 folders, but instead delve into the dark questions of pattern behavior, conflicting initial multiple-shooter reports, and fathers with access to LIBOR rate information.

A really short, easy link on the LIBOR part of that story.

If they actually went after it like bloodhounds, they would either mysteriously disappear, or unravel the puppeteers behind America’s long history of random-white-guy attacks.

diane
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diane

Rosa Parks didn’t ask to be allowed into the middle rows of the bus.

and even more empowering, neither did those unnumbered, unproclaimed …….. young, ‘black,’ women and men ….. preceding her, whom, ….. it was decided upon, …. were too primal, AND Uncomprising to the venal message given,…. to highlight …may they rest in peace, …… eternally, …… for their sacrifices

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

Not to threadjack, but RE: the CT & CO shooters and their fathers embedded in the same LIBOR scandal. WTF? I know that the most unlikely coindidences will happen eventually due to pure chance – but seriously, Wjust TF? I’m no mathematitian, but the odds have to be astronomically low…

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

(well, if anything, we may now have a striking anecdotal/empirical evidence that the captains of high finance and their errand boys may come from genetic lines that have achieved perfection in socipathic behavior)

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

Has there ever been anti-gun group in the US? At least I am not aware of any. Also, I find it important not to forget that the revitalization of interest in gun ownership is at least partially a lefty achievement – the Black Panthers made a big deal out of the right to self-defence. That’s not the reason I personally oppose many forms of gun control, but I think it is worth remembering beyond the other accumulated garbage (e.g. the interests and marketing of the gun industry etc.) As for policy, I am pretty sure that the rational response is… Read more »

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

(obviously, I know there are many small anti-gun groups, I’m just not aware of anything prominent and somewhat powerful on national stage…)

High Arka
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Arguably, the media and Congress are a prominent, powerful anti-gun group. Considering the level of weaponry humans have developed, and that employed by governments on a day-to-day basis, the comparatively tiny number of single-carrier, hand-borne projectile weapons that adults who haven’t run foul of the medical or legal profession can obtain are nothing. “Handguns” are the next destined target for population disarmament, because their concealment–like the unanimously banned silencer–could allow private citizens to theoretically conceal weapons from government agents. They wouldn’t accomplish anything revolution wise, but they do make it a little less cost effective to insulate low-level shock troops… Read more »

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

Oh, snap. I didn’t think of that ;(. Leave handguns alone too then :).

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

This is all true, and being armed provides some sort of psychic comfort only in the even of an all-out confrontation (in anything short of that, clearly the state weaponry wins). And of course, let’s not forget Vietnam and countless other insurgencies that were able to do serious damage with little more than handheld guns. But the much more general reason I think the fight over gun control is pointless is that approaching it this wayobscures the fact that obsession with guns is largely a symptom of the powerlesness and alienation they experience, and that’s an easy sedative, not that… Read more »

Marla Singer
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Marla Singer

Right, exactly – most of gun owners have no problems with fixing the obvious problems in the flow of weapons abd support restricting access to firearms through better background checks etc. This poll made the rounds in the news recently and clearly shows that: http://www.businessinsider.com/nra-and-gun-control-poll-gun-owners-colorado-theater-shooting-batman-2012-7

The media portrayal of the “gun debate”/culture war probably has nothing to do with the actual positions helf by actual people on the ground. But pitching it this way makes for a good sideshow, and any non-essential policy controversy that captures the energies of the gullible liberals/republicans is a good controversy, right?

diane
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diane

One thing is sure, re the guns debate, the voiceless will be penalized and tracked (even more than before) as if they were the predators running the show. While not acknowledging the acronym, SSI (Federal Supplemental Security Income), for those with Mental Illness ™, and required to look to the Federal Government in order to stay alive – a category which increasingly encompasses the poor (1) and those discriminated against in the Work Place ™ (2) for their age and experience [read, we don’t want no stinking life long experience interfering] – Obama et al have made it quite clear… Read more »

diane
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diane

(very sorry, unrelentingly, not “unrelentinly.” )